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No. How would it be irresponsible? The writers can choose to use any historical settings or themes that they want, that what makes a good show. Not to mention the fact that numerous other shows/games/movies also use WW2 as inspiration so to imply that some how it encourages Nazism or something is laughable. What would be worse writting about Nazi's or giving their freedom of speech to censorship?

If you do any amount of studying of what Nazism was, it is not like anything else. Nothing in recent human memory begins to parallel how horrific it was

Actually Joseph Stalin's regime was responsible for more deaths than Hitler's

World War Two was one of the most significant events in human history, and the Nazis represented an integral and majority part of that conflict. To not write a few episodes relating to it would be a major historical oversight. Simply portraying the Third Reich is no more irresponsible than watching the evening news.

Most signifigant in the last hundred years, maybe. But not in all of human history.


Lets not forget that when TOS first aired, WW2 and the Nazis happened only 20 years prior, so it was also in fairly recent memory of most viewers. Making stories about what might have happened if they won seems kind of relevant to the time period


Well certin parties would perfer to ignore the existance of Nazism (germany seems to be that way, making referances to it mostly illegal) many others belive it's important we face that this DID happen, and that the german people went along with it. that we remember it so it never happened again.

this is why Auzwitch is still standing. and hanging above the entry way is a sign that says "those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it"

I wpould argue refuseing to discuss WW2 is the more irresponsable.


To American sensibilities, that is definitely true. We must never forget. However, the Germans, and other Europeans (and probably Israelis, too) see things differently. They seem to figure that, even today, the specter of the memory of its Nazi past is surrealistically present enough that outlawing entertainment (as opposed to scholarly) depictions of swastikas or other Nazi devices is justified. Remember there is pretty much no other society in the world in which the principles of freedom of speech enshrined in Amendment I of the United States Constitution are held as sacrosanct than in the good ol' U.S. of A. ProfessorTrek 06:35, July 29, 2011 (UTC)


maybe however Trek is an American produced show. truthfully I'm of the opinion this tendancy towards repression of such things is a reason for the spike in Neo-nazism in europe

Yes, Star Trek is an American-produced show, but when it is telecast on German television, their officials can censor it by editing it any way they wish, or even broadcast all episodes of the series, except the ones containing depictions that are illegal under German law. It's not an American decision, because Germany and Germans, at least within the borders of their country, are ultra vires to American law. ProfessorTrek 08:48, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

As far as "the spike in Neo-[N]azism in Europe", I would imagine the Irish are keeping an eye on things...


Well you've defeated yourown assertion that it's irresponsible... keep mind that racism and neonazism is far more prevalent in America than Europe. In addition nations like Poland, Britain, France suffered far more during the second war than the U.S. did.


The point of discussions such as these is not to cling to the assumptions or positions underlying each question until the bitter end; it is (or ought to be) instead to pursue intellectual discourse about Trek.


If I were a kid growing up in Germany, how would I be affected by seeing something like this? ProfessorTrek 06:37, July 31, 2011 (UTC) (starts at 0:27)


A very good lesson to learn at a young age, I would hope. Although some kind of edited version would likely be shown in Germany. Censorship gives away much about a culture.


I checked into this further. It is true that in Germany today, public display of Nazi iconography is verboten. However, its depiction in "works of art" (and movie fiction is considered a work of art--still checking as to television fiction) is allowed. Therefore a movie, such as Inglourious Basterds (2009), which takes place primarily in Nazi-occupied France in 1941-1944, with heavy depiction of Nazis and Nazi iconography, had on its German street poster displayed in Germany a swastika on a helmet redacted with the superimposition of the depiction of a bullethole. However, the movie itself is shown with iconography and other Nazi references entirely unredacted, because it was deemed qualified for this loophole. ProfessorTrek 19:17, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

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