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Vice Adm Alynna Nechayev, ordered Picard to deploy the program should another opportunity present itself-TNG "Descent"In "Decent", it is shown on screen that at least one Starfleet Admiral isn't too happy about it.In a later episode, an Admiral who is meeting with Picard makes it clear that Starfleet is extremely upset with his handling of it, and tells him he is now under standing orders to take advantage of any such future opportunities to harm or destroy the Borg.

Yes watch the TNG episode "Descent" During the episode, afer the "new Borg" were seen acting as violent individuals, Admiral Alynna Nechayev chewed Picard out for letting Hugh return to the Collective, rather than using him as a weapon to destroy them. She basically told him that the next time he was faced with such a choice, he had better put the needs and safety of the Federation first, and his own feelings and morals second. It effected Nacheyev's handling of him and the Dorvan V colony in "Journey's End"

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Yes, but he must've drawn more discipline than that. And he must have been pissed at Geordi, Guinan and Beverly for talking him into it.

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1) He wouldn't be "pissed" at them because he accepts responsibility for his own actions. 2) What they were proposing would have been genocide for the Borg, and regardless of what the Borg have done, the Federation was never comfortable with such a tactic in the long run. 3) After seeing how Hugh's individuality was only spread to his ship, not the entire collective, they may've concluded that the same results would have happened with their visual virus.

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Isn't it possible he accepted responsibility for his own actions and was pissed at them?

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Truly accepting responsibility for his own actions is incongruent with holding anger and resentment towards them for speaking to him.

Nonsense. I need refer you no further than Kirk's and McCoy's Klingon show trial in Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country. Kirk took responsibility, as Captain, for what ultimately turned out to be the actions of Burke and Samno. To use legal jargon, command liability is strict liability. However, you can bet Kirk was pissed at them.

But Picard made the descision, wheras Kirk was being held responsible for actions he didn't even know about until after the fact, much less agreed to or ordered. Picard can't hold anger at the advice of others when he willingly followed that advice; it was well within his rights to ignore his officers and go ahead with the plan anyway

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You must be right and I must be wrong.


It is clear you do not know what "strict liability" is. Strict liability occurs in tort law and in criminal law wherein liability attaches from simply having done, or having omitted to do, the proscribed thing. Intent, or substantial certainty as to the outcome of one's actions or omissions thereto, is not an element of the offense, although it may be present; in some instances, it can become an aggravating factor, in others, it is immaterial.

Take, for example, a seatbelt violation. Whether you are merely negligent and forget to wear your seatbelt, or whether you conciously and deliberately choose to not wear your seat belt, liability attaches. That is, you may be cited for a seatbelt violation--all that has to happen is for the cop to see you sitting in a car not wearing your seatbelt. The former is not created by malice aforethought--and the latter is--but the liability is just the same.

Picard does not want officers who blindly follow orders. In the instance mentioned, they collectively applied their morality. However, in talking it over beforehand, they created a collective responsibility--and it turned out to be at odds with the attitude of the greater Starfleet organization, beyond the Enterprise-D.

If Picard sensed that his senior officers only wanted to implant the destructive recursive-algorithm-inducing shape-that-cannot-exist program, then he probably would have gone the other way. This is "consultative" leadership, and it fosters a sense of efficacy and respect toward the leader applying it. The corollary is that the leader, as result, has less of an "ideological distance" from those that he leads. Command liability is strict liability, either way. When it came to taking responsibility, it was Picard who was left to stand tall before the man.

That is, the consultative leader still has his authority, but there are consequences to the fostered active participation, rather than the lesser consequences of simple malicious obedience.

I know this may seem to get into "whether Picard is better than Kirk", but that is not my objective in explaining this.

--ProfessorTrek 07:20, February 4, 2012 (UTC)


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